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Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:26:00 -
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They condone questionable anti-social behavior.
I suppose I would call it griefing, but others get their panties in a wad and claim it doesn't hurt no one.
Personally, I like think that tears are real and that griefing is real.
Otherwise the stakes aren't as high.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
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Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Personally, I like think that tears are real and that griefing is real. If the tears are real, it's not really the supposed griefer that suffers from some kind of questionable behaviourGǪ
No. I suppose not. The griefer tends to get the nice end of the griefing stick.
Have you never heard someone rage in comes before swearing they were going to quit the game in the brink of tears?
I have. I'm not sure if it was sad or funny.
Sure EVE is a game, but its like poker. The stakes are real and people get pretty upset when they lose $100 dollar worth of ship.
Especially those who actually paid money to pay for their ships.
And then get their carrier awox'd.
Considering CCP makes ads that say its cool to steal billions out of the corp wallet, I would say they were condone being an ass.
Nothing wrong with it I am saying. I am just saying its a better game when the tears are real.
To deny that denies why people take this game so seriously.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
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Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:55:00 -
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Amnesiaa Haze wrote:You're playing the wrong game... the game is not about chewing rocks in Hisec belts and "running level 4's"... The way the game is designed... it just so happens to fall into place that you have the ability to do so, but that is not what the game is about... The game is about... this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=256142&find=unreadGreat wars, 1000's of players fighting, Victory/Defeats & Tears, Alliances, Coalitions, Sovereignty, Trust, Backstabbing, Wealth and Power. As a Hisec miner chewing spacerocks in your mining frigate while you play WoT and LoL in another window... you're INSIGNIFICANT, you're just an individual with no cause... nobody CARES, CCP doesn't CARE, just shut up and keep mining... or unsubscribe and play something else.
Wow. That is the most tardbartastic elistist view I have seen anyone spew in a while.
Just because you don't belong to a null-sec alliance doesn't mean CCP cares less about your money.
Sure, you aren't going to be making gaming news, but people who enjoy playing by themselves and are enjoying it aren't doing anything wrong.
Secondly, I wonder how all those ships the alliances lose on a daily basis were made?
Certainly they didn't call CCP and ask them to put ore in their hangers.
Someone mined it and given that most pvp people don't like to mine, I believe it is safe to say someone who doesn't participate directly in the alliance wars somehow aquired it through shooting rocks in high sec somewhere.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
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Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:10:00 -
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Amnesiaa Haze wrote:Alliances have their own resources, in all respects.
Trust me, Alliances do not rely on lone Hisec miners to supply their war efforts.
Wait, what? I thought the current mantra was "Null Sec Industry is broken" and they hate the fact that they have to import everything in jump freighters from Jita.
There have been 40 page threadnaughts of people whining and complaining that Hi-sec industrialists were outperforming Null and that something needs to be done so they don't have to buy from Jita anymore.
And I highly doubt those hi-sec industrialists are buying all their veld from null.
Unless you want to argue that they don't and Null Sec industry is fine.
I'm fine with that answer too.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:40:00 -
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So what you are saying is that null sec industrialists are really hi-sec industrialists who mine all their ore in null-sec, haul it into high sec, build all their stuff there and ship it back to null sec hoping to not have the freighter run into a hostile roam?
It seems rather counter intuitive to run very dangerous mining op to mine billions worth of trit, when you could be doing it safely in high sec so I can see your complaint where Nullsec isn't as great as High for industry.
But if they are mining in high sec that does make them dirty high sec miners...
Look, I know of one person who is building super's in lowsec for nullsec. His main gathering operations are in high sec. He strikes deals with hi-sec miners because he needs billions in trit. I don't know his position in his alliance or what he does in null since he is rather private about that, but apparently he's got a budget and the connections because he buys tons of minerals in bulk.
Also, its not a false dichotomy if one has to be true and one has to be false.
Either Nullsec industry produces everything it needs in nullsec meaning it requires no fix or it doesn't and null buys/builds/imports stuff from high sec meaning null industry needs improvement.
One of these has to be true and the other has to be false. No fancy talk will change this truth.
Pick one.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
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Posted - 2013.07.09 19:58:00 -
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I don't mean to rain on everyone's parade, but there is a profession that you can have that completely separates you from null and low.
NPC courier missions in high sec.
All you need is the starting indy that the starter missions gives you and you can be grinding away isk and LP without ever dealing with another player in the game.
I wouldn't recommend doing it, but I have done it to grind standings so its a feasible way to play the game.
I'm sure someone out there enjoys it.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:51:00 -
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Verunae Caseti wrote:Is this how discussions tend to go with you guys? A couple legitimate counterpoints and you just completely disappear from the thread?
No "Oh, I guess that's a good point," or "Well, I didn't think of it that way. Maybe I was wrong." Nothing? Just act like this discussion never took place?
Truth be told I stopped reading between the time I posted last night and now and only read the most recent page.
Couldn't be bothered reading all that drivel and excuses and rampant posting that they bang away on the keyboard justifying their view never taking into consideration the logic that was presented.
I figured there was a counterargument after my last point last night, but since I presented a Boolean argument, they either have to accept it or claim logic does not exist. Since I was betting they did not accept a logical argument, anything they said was probably not worth reading.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
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Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:I figured there was a counterargument after my last point last night, but since I presented a Boolean argument, they either have to accept it or claim logic does not exist. GǪor go for a third option: show that it's not actually a boolean argument, and that presenting it as such is fallacious. So no, they don't have to do either of those two, making it yet another false dichotomy.
Out of curiosity, what was the 3rd option?
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
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Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Out of curiosity, what was the 3rd option? The alliances do their industry outside of null, where it isn't broken. Maybe you shouldn't have made a bat based on poor logic and kept readingGǪ?
Hrm... Well that was a waste of my time.
If null is in high sec building crap and mining crap, it means they no longer are exclusively null sec.
It means they are dirty high-seccers too.
Which means they are the second part of my Boolean argument. They they are in high sec trading and importing from dirty highseccers because they are high seccers.
I don't know why I even try to convince someone so obviously refuses to see logic.
Anyways, if what you say is true, the null sec are a bunch of high sec carebears too. At least on their alts.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:29:00 -
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Wait, what?
You are trying to tell me that null sec players are in high sec and don't rely on high sec miners to get their stuff.
But didn't I just say if you are in high sec mining regardless of your alliance, that you are high sec miner.
And are you telling me that no alliance miners mine by themselves if no one else is on? Oh lordy! I must have the support of my entire alliance because I am afraid to mine solo in high sec!
Look you can't be a nullseccer if you are in high sec mining for your alliance. Sure the end goods go into a null sec alliance, but you then and there are a dirty high sec miner.
Are you even reading my words.
If you are in high sec mining anything at all, it means you are a dirty high sec miner.
It doesn't matter if you belong to a null sec alliance and IN FACT i would guarantee that many of those miners that mine for your alliance are in NPC corps to avoid being war dec'd by people like Space Whores.
No only are you showing illogic, but you also showing hypocrisy.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
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Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:38:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Anthony Blunt wrote:
Because CCP added a big list of extra materials to the manufacturing costs because they were too cheap.
The sudden spike in the last week has nothing to do with manufacturing cost 
Just so that you know. Domi's are selling about -17% below mineral cost. Which means its more profitable to just sell the minerals on the market.
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High price is selling -14.18% below mineral cost (sell orders)
Low Price is selling at -17.47% below mineral cost (buy orders)
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:56:00 -
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Look. You are not comprehending what I am saying...
Just because you have a toon in an alliance doesn't mean your miner alt is technically part of null-sec.
Not every Nullsec Alt High Sec miner is going to have a mining fleet 24/7 for every operation. They may have alliance members who fleet with them, but certainly this can't be true 24/7.
There has to be at least one alliance member who mines with his high-sec alt by himself. Which means null does rely on some solo-high-sec mining.
Actually I know one... And he mines with dirty high sec miners to get fleet boosts.
And if there is at least one, it means your entire argument is false.
Secondly, you can't tell me that some alliances actually don't buy some minerals or resources from Jita.
Why do all those jump freighters come in and out of Jita?
Are they just showing off their ships? Taunting would be gankers with empty cargo holds?
Are you going to tell me with a straight face that not a single jump freighter ever brings goods from Jita to null sec?
CCP should just remove those silly ships since they aren't doing anything.
And if goods are being bought and brought in from Jita, you are going to say none of that was from pure high-sec industrialists?
Keep posting. You are making yourself look bad.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:19:00 -
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*sigh* Its like arguing with a four legged animal.
You won't accept logic so this is why it wastes my time.
If at least one null sec member buys any goods from Jita it means they support lone high sec mining. By that I mean they drive the minerals market making it more profitable to be a solo miner.
Sure this might mean that null sec industry needs fixing, but it doesn't mean that null sec industry is 100% self sufficient.
I said plenty of times I accept this argument and that it seems perfectly logical.
If you say to me with a straight face that "no, null sec is 100% self sufficient but does need fixing..." All that means is that you are being greedy wanting CCP to put more isk in your wallets.
If you won't agree that null sec does drive Jita prices in some even miniscule regard which increase mineral prices even a small fraction, I think you are just trolling at this point.
And not worth anymore replies.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
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